tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post6505478871689305533..comments2023-07-13T05:01:01.343-07:00Comments on Holistic Recovery from Schizophrenia: De-escalating worryAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06700295858497275586noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-45728946002177805992011-01-19T04:58:21.944-08:002011-01-19T04:58:21.944-08:00The Tuscon case is the poster child for what not t...The Tuscon case is the poster child for what not to do/how not to handle psychosis. It's an extreme example of what happens when help is delayed. The script for Loughner has been written. He will receive the death penalty or life imprisonment. He will never get out of prison, not matter how much he improves. I can't really comment on the marijuana use other than it is typical of teens and adults alike. Heavy cigarette smoking is also a way of trying to escape psychosis. Dr. Abram Hoffer referred to drugs and alcohol as a coping mechanism for trying to stave off the hallucinations.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06700295858497275586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-45180088150971067982011-01-19T00:10:12.518-08:002011-01-19T00:10:12.518-08:00Things are sounding good, Becky. Keep doing what y...Things are sounding good, Becky. Keep doing what you are doing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06700295858497275586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-50577930715009766072011-01-18T20:02:18.125-08:002011-01-18T20:02:18.125-08:00Rossa,
This post is right on target! I find the l...Rossa,<br />This post is right on target! I find the less that I project any emotions or express any concerns about my son's care or condition, the better he does, and the happier he seems. Worry, concern, indeed any thing that can possibly be perceived as a recognition that there is something missing or not what it could or should be causes him distress. <br /><br />He has in the last 4 days blossomed once again.<br />The night before his first good day, he listened to a meditation CD while going to sleep. The next morning when he woke up, he took a shower--no cue or prompt. He has every day since taken better care of his hygiene, and for the the first time since his hospital stay, been able to do a multi step task without assistance, and without forgetting what he is doing. <br /><br />This improvement also coincides with a lowering in the dosage on two of the meds which were increased when he was hospitalized. <br /><br />I do express my confidence in his decisions, and assure him that he knows more than anyone--including mom--what he needs.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04985667747299418582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-20098054440118750752011-01-18T19:30:02.603-08:002011-01-18T19:30:02.603-08:00Well, I suppose you might know better than me, but...Well, I suppose you might know better than me, but I am not all that high about rushing in to diagnose him with psychosis or mental illness or whatever. Yes, it does look at some point like he had a psychotic break. But, we don't know for sure. And, there is just so much we don't know. Presumably the thinking is that once he "comes to," and I think many of us are expecting him to do something like that, wake up or something, then he will just break down in tears realizing the horror that he has committed. As this line of thinking goes, once he receives some kind of medication (and I'm not against that at this point), he will rest, calm down or whatever then he'll realize what he's done. That's the thinking. But I don't see that happening. It's possible that's because he is refusing medication, I don't know. But I'm just not so sure that the script so many see in their heads will truly play out to form. <br /><br />There is another scenario that's being put out there these days, and that is a profile of the assassin or would-be assassin. NPR did a piece on it, and I've seen it one or two other places. I'm not sure that the paranoid schizophrenia diagnosis factors in at all.<br /><br />B'hamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-19283556458503292712011-01-18T14:11:45.406-08:002011-01-18T14:11:45.406-08:00"he will be horrified with the realization of..."he will be horrified with the realization of what he did when he is no longer psychotic"<br /><br />"In 2007, Loughner was heavily into marijuana and mushrooms, and was arrested for possession. Evidence from 2007 indicates that he was falling, if not already fallen over, the deep end, asking bizarre questions of Giffords at a political event in Tucson." found on the internet<br /><br />Loughner is/was a drug abuser. Mixing up his drug abuse (drugs he voluntarily took) with (involuntary) mental illness is bull.Mark p.s.2https://www.blogger.com/profile/10529811159862096782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-34090916117767128272011-01-18T04:01:42.803-08:002011-01-18T04:01:42.803-08:00Hi, Bham,
The Tuscon case shows us the worst case ...Hi, Bham,<br />The Tuscon case shows us the worst case scenario of what can result from untreated psychosis. I hate to use my son as an example, because he is the kindest, most gentle person I know, and he abhors violence, but I also know that when he was deteriorating at one point, he was getting more frustrated and angry. Had we let it go any further, had we shunned him or made it worse for him, violence may have been the outcome. He was already beginning to direct it towards himself. It would have been completely out of character for him to hurt others, but it could have happened. When it gets to that point, you are probably right about Open Dialogue. I suspect that most, if not all facilities, wouldn't take someone so far gone unless they are on medication.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06700295858497275586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-39811567976260498432011-01-18T03:44:17.341-08:002011-01-18T03:44:17.341-08:00Mark, I don't agree that Loughner is evil. Wha...Mark, I don't agree that Loughner is evil. What he did was clearly wrong and tragic, and he will be horrified with the realization of what he did when he is no longer psychotic. I also think that people who are psychotic can go through the motions of daily living. He also knew how to get up in the morning and go to class, even when he was psychotic. He w2as also observed while doing this as being psychotic. Some people kill when they are acutely psychotic because they actually think they are saving sonmeone's life from daemonic forces. There is a scene in A Beautiful Mind where Nash's wife begins to suspect that Nash will harm their child. I can't remember how it resolved itself, but many people live in terror of what their relatives may do when they are acutely psychotic. It is fortunate that in most cases it never goes this far. There is also a 1955 film starring James Mason entitled Bigger Than Life, about a man who goes psychotic on cortisone and threatens to sacrifice his son, because, like Abraham, because he believes he is obeying God's command. Is the psychotic relative evil? I don't think so. I think their "illness" has not been effectively addressed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06700295858497275586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-82166397757788106322011-01-17T21:11:17.378-08:002011-01-17T21:11:17.378-08:00Rossa,
You wrote:
"We decided to leave him ...Rossa,<br /><br />You wrote:<br /><br />"We decided to leave him largely to himself, safe to do and think what he wanted to in the comfort of our home, free to speak or not to speak, free to fail a course, free of our daily cheerful inquiries about his state of mind."<br /><br />Your son is fortunate to have you in his life!<br /><br />It sounds like you are doing everything possible to make his recovery successful.<br /><br />I wish there were more parents like you. <br /><br />My best,<br /><br />DuaneDuane Sherryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10482281700165504817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-1640495621446005432011-01-17T20:26:18.768-08:002011-01-17T20:26:18.768-08:00Excellent post Rossa. I agree with you and Duane.
...Excellent post Rossa. I agree with you and Duane.<br /><br />However, as for just sending Jared Loughner out to a farm in Finland, let's say, the night before or two nights before the massacre, I'm just not there. I am not yet convinced that all people who have psychotic breaks are prone to violence, even if left untreated. What I'm trying to say is that I think we can't lump everyone in together. And of course the next logical question is, well how do you know?<br /><br />-B'hamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-16778203302586670462011-01-17T14:46:31.688-08:002011-01-17T14:46:31.688-08:00Jared Loughner is not mentally ill, he is evil and...Jared Loughner is not mentally ill, he is evil and chose to do evil. If a person is psychotic, they do not know what reality is. They don`t know what time and day it is, what social expectations/rules are (then how to follow them), how to pay for items such as food and transport. <br />Jared Loughner knew where to be, when to be there, how to get there, wear clothing , bring the loaded gun, and so on.<br />Like people have the choice to be good, and for example help people in Haiti after the earthquake, people also have the choice to be evil if they have freedom.<br /><br />If you, a psychiatrist, or God forced everyone to be good, there would be no freewill.Mark p.s.2https://www.blogger.com/profile/10529811159862096782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-42941858723793491012011-01-17T08:44:05.137-08:002011-01-17T08:44:05.137-08:00Rossa,
If I had to define the mental health syste...Rossa,<br /><br />If I had to define the mental health system in one word, it would ironically be "manic".<br /><br />The mental health system has not learned how to take deep breaths, how to take things a moment at at time.<br /><br />It moves too fast. It moves too powerfully. And most of the time, it moves in the wrong direction.<br /><br />Dr. Joseph Mercola says that conventional psychiatric treatment is like trying to kill a mosquito with a cannon ball.<br /><br />I agree.<br /><br />Duane SherryDuane Sherryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10482281700165504817noreply@blogger.com