tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post2992870342173583020..comments2023-07-13T05:01:01.343-07:00Comments on Holistic Recovery from Schizophrenia: Snap out of all that misery and do somethingAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06700295858497275586noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-69251819631835682632011-02-24T22:47:10.273-08:002011-02-24T22:47:10.273-08:00B'ham - This is one time when the spam box did...B'ham - This is one time when the spam box did the right thing. Sorry to hear about your father recently landing in the hospital. It's a good thing you are there to check on the meds situation and not just assume that the hospitals got it right.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06700295858497275586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-61158168809404383672011-02-22T22:16:19.099-08:002011-02-22T22:16:19.099-08:00"the failure of the medical system to help mu..."the failure of the medical system to help much with the pain of either set of writers."<br /><br />This strikes me as one of the most clueless sentences in the review. How about the pain of the real victim? Confession time: I love reading these memoirs, because they are usually beautifully written (pain being helpful to the creative muse), and I agree, shared narrative is the best learning tool. I will be away for a few days, but would like to take extracts from yours and Duane's recovery stories and post them when I get back. Centralized narratives are also a great learning tool.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06700295858497275586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-56447466479782150712011-02-22T18:26:28.991-08:002011-02-22T18:26:28.991-08:00"Mr. Cockburn moves through the usual soul-se..."Mr. Cockburn moves through the usual soul-searching — was his own peripatetic nonpresence to blame for Henry’s illness? Were family genes at fault? He muses at some length on the case of his father-in-law," <br />...<br />Yes, the father spent a lot of time "musing" - the loveless uninvolvement comes across.<br /><br />"but I'm not willing to give this author a complete get out of jail free card." <br />Neither am I - <br /><br />"their mother tracked them down by mail, by phone or sometimes in increasingly disheveled person. “Have I been a bad mother to you? Do you still love me? I need you here. We have things to discuss.” <br /><br />That's a gift, and the sisters refused it. They could have come to a better contact arrangement. The mother got the worst of it here.<br /><br />Yes, these are not stories of SZ but of a "failure to communicate" by the family members. <br /><br /><br />"the failure of the medical system to help much with the pain of either set of writers."<br /><br />Huh? Does he mean like lobotomies, mind-numbing meds? lol That's good pain they could do a lot with that. Why waste it? <br /><br />The books look interesting though for the details. Shared narrative is the best learning tool - better that science even - lol.Skybluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12366888956552012585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-90594413242284361732011-02-22T16:55:32.627-08:002011-02-22T16:55:32.627-08:00Rossa,
Great post!
Thank you!
There are some goo...Rossa,<br /><br />Great post!<br />Thank you!<br /><br />There are some good recovery stories on this page (scroll down to read them and watch them on video) -<br /><br />http://discoverandrecover.wordpress.com/recovery/<br /><br />Thank you for getting the word out... <br />Recovery is a message that needs to resonate around the world, particularly with mental health professionals (most of whom haven't a clue)... yet!<br /><br />Duane SherryDuane Sherryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10482281700165504817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-27235832221439102822011-02-22T12:21:40.170-08:002011-02-22T12:21:40.170-08:00youbluemama, I've heard professionals explicit...youbluemama, I've heard professionals explicitly state that, if someone labelled with "schizophrenia" (or other "mental illness") had been the victim of physical/sexual abuse -- and many have been, Hammersley and Read found between 51 and 97% correlation of obvious, i.e. physical and sexual, abuse, and a label of "schizophrenia" in <a href="http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20060514024158data_trunc_sys.shtml" rel="nofollow">their 2007-meta study</a>, I myself have met countless people, labelled with "sz", who have a history of having been the victim of obvious abuse -- they've probably invited the abuse to take place themselves. By being "different", diseased, right from the start. The really nasty thing about this is that someone who's been victimized sufficiently to more or less entirely take on the role of the victim, to identify more or less completely with it, actually can be said to invite more abuse. I also know a few people, who have what you might call a "sixth sense" for these victims, and once they've identified another person as a victim, they go on to prey on this person's victimhood. Unrestrained. The thing is, usually they are grown-up people, who are responsible for their actions. Just because I have the opportunity to harm someone else, doesn't mean I'm excused if I choose to do it. Even if this someone else begs me to harm them, it is my responsibility not to do so -- and instead ask them what on earth it is that has them want me to harm them. Which is what psychiatry ought to do, instead of subjecting people, who've never had the chance to be anything else but the victim, to even more abuse/victimization. <br /><br />Anyhow, it takes two to form an abusive relationship, and last time it happened to me, not so long ago, I stopped short when I caught my thoughts playing the same old record once again: you deserve this, you're unworthy, etc. etc., and myself feeling guilty about the anger I nevertheless also experienced towards my persecutor, and I realized that the person in question only could abuse me to the extent I let her do it. If I didn't want to be this person's victim, I had to take responsibility for myself, and make it clear to her that I was not going to be her victim. So I did, and she backed off. But this was only possible for me to do, because I haven't been brainwashed by the mh system into believing that I was the born, genetically predetermined, victim, and deemed to be this victim for life, chronically ill, but was given the chance to see through the dysfunctional communication patterns that had made me the victim.<br /><br />The mh system perpetuates <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle" rel="nofollow">The Drama</a>. So does everybody who buys into its ideology, like our misery-memoir writers here, and the NYT journalist. The Drama serves a purpose as it renders everybody who plays a part in it a helpless victim of the circumstances, of the plot, in this case of "schizophrenia". As long as we play our part, we can maintain the illusion that we cannot be held responsible for our actions, for ourselves.Marianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16273435151682585281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2894514913516471357.post-25189870844000519202011-02-22T08:06:01.860-08:002011-02-22T08:06:01.860-08:00Amen and amen.
This perspective of the "fa...Amen and amen. <br /><br />This perspective of the "family is victim" is part of the indoctrination into the bio-psychiatric paradigm, and it is truly sickening. example:<br /><br />"The interactions between psychological, social and illness related factors are complex and bidirectional. For example, the presence of difficult family interactions may not be “causal”, but rather a reaction to the collection of difficulties the patient brings to the family setting."<br /><br />This is from the Practice Parameters for treating Early Onset Schizophrenia. <br /><br />It appears to attribute family dysfunction to the CHILD and "to the collection of difficulties" a child with a diagnosis brings to a family.<br /><br />While it is true that my son's problems were and are difficult at times, for me (as a parent) to deal with; I do not see my son as "a collection of difficulties." What I do see is that my son's need for our support and understanding compelled us as a family to discover and address the underlying deficits in how we related to one another contributed to or otherwise exacerbated, my son's difficulties. Thank God. The reality is that none of us are "victims of schizophrenia." <br /><br />If anything, we were victims of psychiatrists and other professionals who lied to us and determined treatment protocols and social service strategies to follow regardless of validity, efficacy, safety or Informed Consent.<br /><br />The bio-psychiatric paradigm took the focus off of where it needed to be and treated my son as if he were a problem that needed to be fixed; instead of acknowledging he was child who was struggling due to the trauma which was never addressed. The treatment strategy implemented in spite of our objections; and further traumatized my both of my sons and myself. <br /><br />We survive intact as a family in the face of tremendous odds and I know that I am blessed beyond measure.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04985667747299418582noreply@blogger.com